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Re: How does the system determine a payment medium format?

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Hi Peter,

 

Things to check

 

1. Check in which Priority you have assigned the Payment Media Format in the House Bank

2. For the same series what is the payment methods assigned in the House Bank > Payment methods

 

If the payment media format SEPA then if the supporting payment method is not in the same sequence then system will try to find the next payment method and finally system will also check the payment method and now the payment format, if the format supports the payment method which system choosen then it will be picked & if not system will choose that sequence which supports both payment media format & payment method.

 

Thanks

Lokesh Sharma


Re: How does the system determine a payment medium format?

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Hi Lokesh,

 

I think it is not possible to prioritize the payment media Format in the House Bank. That was the thing I was looking for, but which I did not find.

 

The tab Payment Formats in the house bank's master data is just a list - without priorization. (see Appendix file_2.png)

 

Regards

Peter

Distribution from Cost Center to Customer Project with Sales Integration

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Dear all,

 

in the documentation I read that costs can be distributed from Cost Centers to Projects/Project Tasks by Distribution Rules for Cost Centers.

 

I tried to do so, but I was not able to select a Customer Project with Sales Integration as a receiver when defining the rule. And the documentation doesn't mention to which Project Types costs can be distributed.

 

Is it possible to distribute costs from cost center to a Customer Project with Sales Integration?

 

Thanks a lot for your support.

 

Best Regards

Peter Meid

All for One Steeb AG

Re: Raised Messages Not Appearing In ByDesign

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Hello Lewis,

 

I exactly wanted to ask for this feature.

 

Did you try with the error handling in the service integration ?

 

Like you handle an error which would be a Success message. Perhaps it will appear in the "Process documents with error" WCView. I need to test it.

 

You can refer to the section "Error handling" in the studio doc.

 

If I find something I will keep you up to date.

 

Thank you for your attention.

Best regards.

Jacques-Antoine

Re: Distribution from Cost Center to Customer Project with Sales Integration

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Hi Peter,

 

 

 

The project that can be used as receiver in cost distribution rule is of type Direct cost projects and Multi-customer projects

 

 

 

In case of customer projects : Costs are always posted as deferred costs which are not subject to cost distribution and revenues are posted to the sales order directly.So there would not be any real costs or revenues to be found on the customer project either.

 

 

 

In case of Overhead Projects : These are always immediately settled not leaving any costs to be assessed. Because of the instant settlement of costs to the requesting cost center at the time when the primary posting is made there is no net amount left for distribution on such a project at the end of the month.

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks

Lokesh Sharma

Re: Distribution from Cost Center to Customer Project with Sales Integration

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Hello Peter,

 

in addition to Lokesh P's reply, please check help center document : Configuration: Project Types for more details on the different project type and their behavour based on the assigned Process Variant Type.

 

I hope this will help you.

 

Regards,

Harshal

Re: How does the system determine a payment medium format?

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Hi Peter,

 

Kindly refer to this use case and check if have similar scenario

 

Find this case document < 1855481 - System Proposes Unexpected Payment Medium Format When Doing Outgoing Bank Transfer >


Let me know if this works or not.

 

Thanks

Lokesh Sharma

Re: HANA Integration with Business By Design


Remove Over-the-Counter Delivery note

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Hello all,

 

I am trying to prevent over-the-counter sales from generating delivery notes when the Outbound delivery is confirmed. Because delivery notes are set to print automatically, this is causing problems with our normal shipping process. I DO need the delivery notes to print with our standard 2-step shipping procedure.

 

Generally, I know that Delivery note printing settings can be controlled via the Logistics Model. That, I know how to change, but I cannot determine which logistics model is being used by the Over-the-Counter outbound deliveries.

 

Any help with determining the logistics model for Over-the-Counter orders, or with the general problem of preventing OTC Outbound delivery from generating delivery notes would be much appreciated!

 

-Brandt

Re: Outgoing Payment Types

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Hi Kai,

 

    What do you mean by " the customization of These payment medium formats"?

     I am afraid that I dont get it quite well.

 

 

best regards

Fred

Re: Withholding Tax- supplier invoices ByD

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Hi Harshal

 

I made the invoice payments and, yes, the withholding tax is posted at this point

 

In Spain, the withholding tax should be counted in the invoice journal entry, independent of the payment (and then the obligation to pay to the authorities).

 

With this ByD accounting method, I think the companies loose some of control till the payment but in accounting terms can be valid.

 

Many thanks for yor help

 

Best regards

Re: How does the system determine a payment medium format?

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Hi Lokesh,

 

I know about that issue, but unfortunately this is not my use case. I need to know the logical steps, the system does when determining a payment medium format for a payment.

 

In my case: SEPA Bank Transfer has 1st priority in the fine-tuning-activity Global settings for Payments. To my mind that means: Each time, I pay from an SEPA-participating county to another SEPA-participating county the system checks if a SEPA Bank Transfer file can be created.

 

In the bank's master data the payment format SEPA Credit Transfer is set. As long as I do not add ISO20022 al valid payment format in the bank's master data, the system in fact creates a SEPA Bank Transfer file.

But once I add ISO20022 as payment format in the bank's master data it creates a ISO20022 file for the same payment, allthough I did not change anything more.


My issue is:

  • The payment method SEPA Credit Transfer is valid for both payment formats
  • Both paymant formats are valid for the bank

Why does it create the ISO20022? What are the logical steps for determining the payment file format?

 

Thanks!

Best Regards

Peter

Re: SEPA - Urgent Payment

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Dear Katrin Gruber, In ByD --> Payment Management-->New Outgoing Bank Transfer --> View All --> Change the payment method details to "SEPA Credit Transfer" , a new field comes up --> Execute Immediately . If you flag this field then the   in the SEPA Payment file id set to “1999-01-01" . This is the indication to the bank to execute the payment immediately . Is this what you are looking for ? If not would you please send across the snapshot of the SEPA specification for Urgent payments ? Thank you . Regards Rathna

Re: How does the system determine a payment medium format?

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Hi Peter,

 

 

 

Did you assign these payments formats to same My Bank/Bank accounts ?

 

 

 

Which bank account system picked and what is the sequence for it in the payment media format & payment methods in the Liquidity Management ?

 

 

 

We feel this is purely system determined during the payment proposal. If the liquidity of the bank account in question is lesser than this would check for other bank account and also determines the payment media format from the switchover bank account.

 

 

 

If system is picking diff bank account for testing can you block the remaining and try to execute the payment to check the result ?

 

 

 

If these things doesnt work, can you please report an incident so that we have check in the system and the payment you are referring to.

 

 

 

Thanks

Lokesh Sharma

Re: How does the system determine a payment medium format?

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Hi Lokesh,


Thank you! I add my remarks after each quote below:


Lokesh: Which bank account system picked and what is the sequence for it in the payment media format & payment methods in the Liquidity Management ?’

Peter: The system always picked the same bank account. And, yes, as I describe before I assigned:

  • 1st scenario: payment formatSEPA Credit Transfer assigned (and some more which are not relevant for the issue - see below) to the same house bank  => resultt: SEPA-file
  • 2nd scenario: payment formatsSEPA Credit Transfer AND ISO20022 (and some more which are not relevant for the issue - see below) assigned to the same house bank  => result: ISO20022-file
  • For both scenarios: Payment methodSEPA Credit Transfer assigned to the same bank account

 

Lokesh: ‘Which bank account system picked …?’

Peter: The same account in both scenarios!

 

Lokesh: ‘…what is the sequence for it in the payment media format & payment methods in the Liquidity Management  ’

Peter: See the setting al follows:

  • Sequence of Payment formats assigned to house bank (once again: As far as I know there is no priorization in that sequence)
    • 1st senario
      1. SEPA Credit Transfer
      2. DE DTAUS0 Domestic Payment
      3. Check Payment
      4. DE DTAZV Foreign Payment
      5. SEPA Direct Debit
    • 2nd scenario
      1. SEPA Credit Transfer
      2. DE DTAUS0 Domestic Payment
      3. Check Payment
      4. DE DTAZV Foreign Payment
      5. SEPA Direct Debit
      6. ISO20022 Payment Format
  • Payment methods for the bank account (once again: As far as I know there is no priorization in that sequence):
    • In both scenarios
      1. Domestic bank transfer
      2. Check printing
      3. SEPA Credit Transfer
      4. International bank transfer
      5. SEPA Direct Debit

 

Lokesh:We feel this is purely system determined during the payment proposal. If the liquidity of the bank account in question is lesser than this would check for other bank account and also determines the payment media format from the switchover bank account.

Peter:‘There is no issue concerning low liquidity or anything else. I tried it several times and the difference of the system’s behavior only depends on adding the payment format ISO20022 to the house bank's master data. If added, the system creates an ISO20022 File, if not added, it creates a SEPA Credit Transfer File. Settings of the bank account are:

  • Minimum account: -200.000
  • Maximum account: 9.999.999
  • Overdraft limit: -200.000
  • Cash position of that account ID: Closing Cash Balance: 5.715.279’

 

At the moment I have no incident. But for a customer’s project we are just implementing I need to understand the interaction between the settings in the fine-tuning-activity Outgoing Bank Transfers (there: configuration of payment correspondence profile, payment medium format and the dependent assignments), those of the fine-tuning-activity Global Settings for Payment (there: Prioritize payment methods), the payment formats of the bank’s master data and the assigned payment methods of my bank account? Unfortunately the documentation doesn't.

 

Thanks a lot for your support, and best Regards

Peter


Re: How does the system determine a payment medium format?

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Hello Peter,

 

For the payment methods in bank account has no specific priority sequence. But system checks from the top and moves on further till the correct format is found.

 

As per your comment :

  • Payment methods for the bank account (once again: As far as I know there is no prioritization in that sequence):
    • In both scenarios
      1. Domestic bank transfer
      2. Check printing
      3. SEPA Credit Transfer
      4. International bank transfer
      5. SEPA Direct Debit

 

Hence when ISO20022 Payment Format is not added (First scenario),

System checks Domestic bank transfer then check and then SEPA Credit transfer.

With SEPA Credit transfer system finds the correct payment medium format and creates the same.

 

 

When ISO20022 payment format added (Second Scenario)

System checks fro Domestic Bank transfer and find the correct medium here it self So the file would be created with ISO20022.



Can you try :

  • Payment methods for the bank account
      1. SEPA Credit Transfer
      2. Domestic bank transfer
      3. International bank transfer
      4. SEPA Direct Debit
      5. Check printing

     

    This should work.

     

    Also

    Please check help center :

    1) Banks and Bank Accounts

    -->

    Payment Formats

     

     

     

     

    You select the allowed payment formats used for payments made from bank accounts held at this bank. You can choose the payment format(s) used for payments made from this account. This is the allowed payment file format such as bank transfer or direct debit. The payment methods available for the bank account are derived from the payment formats you select for the bank. The available payment formats are displayed in a list. Only those formats delivered with the system can be used. For more information see Electronic Payment Formats.

     

    2) Manual Payment Formats

    -->

    Payment Format Prioritization

    The system prioritizes the payment formats delivered with and those defined in the system. It only uses the manual payment format when a particular payment format cannot be determined and the manual payment format is allowed for the bank. Manual payment format can also be required, for example, if the currency does not match the payment format otherwise used for the account.

     

     

    Regards,

    Harshal

    Re: How does the system determine a payment medium format?

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    Hi Peter,

     

    As i told before to my understanding , as said before For the payment media format SEPA then will try to find the supporting payment method and if it is not in the same sequence then system will try to find the next payment method and finally system will also check the payment method and now the payment format, if the format supports the payment method which system choosen then it will be picked & if not system will choose that sequence which supports both payment media format & payment method.

     

    Bring the payment method in the 1st sequence and then try.

     

    Thanks

    Lokesh Sharma

    Re: How can we differentiate user transactions(Business owners) and consultant transaction

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    Hi Venkatesh

     

    if you come from ECC (which I assume seeing your gold status) I would recommend to read the following document: http://help.sap.com/saphelp_byd1505/en/KTP/Software-Components/01200615320100003379/SAP_BBD/BC_SA/BusinessConfiguration_…

     

    This is a good overview about how the configuration is handled in ByD. You get an empty workspace for your project. In the scoping you decide, which features you want to use. Then the system has some constrains and switches on e.g. G/L if you want to use AR.

     

    Based on the scoping decisions an activity list get generated. This activity list has mandatory activities (e.g. Perform Organizational Structure Setup or Charts of Accounts, Financial Reporting Structures, Account Determination). Furthermore you can add more optional options.

    The system will guide. (check help document for details)

     

    You are able to set up a test system pretty fast (I can do it meantime within less then on day (only from technical, if all questions are clear.) If you need to discuss the business impact of the activity with your client, it will take longer like for any other product, which is not system related .)

     

    Once your project is live you confirm it in the configuration. From now on the production system is the starting point. If you want to add new modules or features, you create a change project. For each change project you can request a test tenant, which is a copy of production). You do the changes in the change project, test it in the assigned tenant (with up to date data) and then merge the project back to production.

    No more customizing transports. No outdated test systems. Coming from ECC I have to say that the BC part is pretty impressive.

     

    Regarding the transactions and authorization:

    In the scenario you will have certain users with BC authorization. (You have authorizations for Business Configuration for modules, e.g. Financials or SRM). If you assign those WCV to a user, they will be able to execute the tasks which belong to the area in BC. If you do not assign then, the user cannot execute the tasks.)

     

    Certain activities are daily work for SME, but should not be executed by all users, e.g. open/ close fiscal periods. Here you can remove the view from all users.

     

    If your client is a larger account, then you might use business roles, which you can create. And e.g. then assign the role of AP Accountant to user A and B.

     

    Hope this gives you a little insight on ByD.

    Best regards

    Marlene

    Re: How does the system determine a payment medium format?

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    Hi Harshal,

     

    as per your advice I tested:

     

    Can you try :
    • Payment methods for the bank account
        1. SEPA Credit Transfer
        2. Domestic bank transfer
        3. International bank transfer
        4. SEPA Direct Debit
        5. Check printing

       

      This should work.

       

      Unfortunately not, I still get an ISO20022 file.

       

      Best Regards

      Peter

      Re: Raised Messages Not Appearing In ByDesign

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      Jacques-Antoine,

       

      I didn't think of that actually --- good point. If you figure something about please let me know, thanks!

       

      Lewis

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